No that's always been. Joining the military is considered an act of disassociation. it happened to my family member. Even though it's effectively the same, being disassociated and being disfellowshipped are two different things.
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Interesting statement made by CO. Is this new?
by stillin inin his first talk of the week the co mentioned that people don't get df'd for joining the military or registering to vote because they are already gone, as compared with smoking secretly, which would merit df'ing.. i have been toying around with registering to vote in the next election (us) so this intrigues me..
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Rev 17:9 - Thoughts?
by leaving_quietly inrev 17:9 describes something about the "woman", the harlot, babylon the great:.
here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: the seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top.
and there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.. i was dreaming about this verse last night, so i thought i'd look it up.
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@londonagain
there are other problems with this theory however, and I apologize for assuming you came up with it btw.
the theory asserts Babylon the great was Jerusalem. But in revelation, the harlot known as babylon the great has a kingdom over the Kings of the earth. The Jews, and Jerusalem, have never had such a domination in history. They were looked down on, to the point of being despised, by many roman officials and officers. Jerusalem, and in fact all of Israel, has never had a dominion over anyone but itself.
So, aside from the timeline issue, Jerusalem doesn't at all fit the discription.
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Rev 17:9 - Thoughts?
by leaving_quietly inrev 17:9 describes something about the "woman", the harlot, babylon the great:.
here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: the seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top.
and there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.. i was dreaming about this verse last night, so i thought i'd look it up.
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@Londo
except that Nero died in 68, and revelation is largely agreed to have been written after 70. So that puts a rather large hole in your theory.
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Rev 17:9 - Thoughts?
by leaving_quietly inrev 17:9 describes something about the "woman", the harlot, babylon the great:.
here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: the seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top.
and there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.. i was dreaming about this verse last night, so i thought i'd look it up.
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The land of seven mountains was a reference everyone used back then to identify Rome, "the land of seven hills"
so the person reading this would have thought of the region known as Rome.
John saw 7 kings, five who were passed, one who is (Rome) and another who had not arrived.
before the rise of the "free world" (usa and Britain are the recognized leaders of this) there was no other real world power between Rome and now. Only an image of it with many monarchies and leaderships vying for power. In the end one succeeded, but in the middle nobody led.
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WT's subtle attack on Wikipedia!
by Wonderment indid anyone notice this wt's subtle attack on wikipedia?
they wrote (from the 2011 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses, pp.
9-10. source: 'tracing all things with accuracy'):.
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Watchtower doctrine: Judges 1:19 (God couldn't defeat the Iron Chariots)
by southwest inthis weeks assigned bible reading is judges 1-4. i have never noticed judges 1:19 before which reads in the nwt as:.
jehovah was with judah, and they took possession of the mountainous region, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain,* because they had war chariots with iron scythes.
but in the kj as:.
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@Village
Oh oh I know, I see what you mean. However it's established that God was with them, he backed them up, but they had to fight their fight. I'm just saying regardless of how we feel about the scripture, the bible asserts the people had to fight with faith God was with them to succeed; if this wavered and they grew fearful then they lost faith in God and they failed.
This applies in all their battles. Moses is recorded as commenting on it when the spies return with an unfavorable report. He says because of their lack of faith they will not succeed. The loss of faith is implied by the loss of the battle, all through the biblical account of the Israelites this is the reason they lose, lack of faith. Joshua 17:16 addresses these same people and you can see in the context the people are trying to avoid conflict with these people and Joshua says in effect, "what's the problem? God is with you go take care of it." So the Israelites had a long standing fear of these chariots and that is what made them fail.
their failure to oust all the people as directed is later used against them, and God promises because of their failure that they will thus remain among them as a snare (Judges 2:2, 3; compare Numbers 33:55).
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Watchtower doctrine: Judges 1:19 (God couldn't defeat the Iron Chariots)
by southwest inthis weeks assigned bible reading is judges 1-4. i have never noticed judges 1:19 before which reads in the nwt as:.
jehovah was with judah, and they took possession of the mountainous region, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain,* because they had war chariots with iron scythes.
but in the kj as:.
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If i remember correctly, it is not saying God couldnt defeat them, it's saying Judah couldn't. They lost faith in the face of such an enemy and failed to drive them out.
This is referenced later in the bible as them failing to do as God directed and growing fearful of the inhabitants instead of driving them out.
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rama singh WHAT HE REALLY SAID, so you men can stop lying
by atheist_R_stupid in"there have been repeated scientific challenges to the.
theory of evolution in the past, and the nonbelievers of evo-.
lution cite them as support for their case.
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@johnny drake here is also proof and historical record of how evolution developed.
THAT is a lie.
So from that point whatever you stated is retarded. its as much a LIE as gays people saying "science has proven people are born gay"
ALL YOU HAVE BACKING YOU WILL BE PEOPLE WITH A DOG IN THE RACE...LOOKING TO TAKE A SIDE, not talk science....
I could cite innumerous sources to prove evolution to you, but since you're unlikely to look at any of them I'll give just one. This video started my own investigation into the proof of evolution. Unfortunately ARS, you're incorrect. Not only is evolution a proven fact, but a vast amount of Christians believe it as well. Any educated individual is going to pity a person who refused to accept evolution at this point. You will never convince anyone, anywhere, it's untrue.
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TO THE STUPID ATHEISTS:
by atheist_R_stupid inbeing that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
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I had a fantastically spicy lamb curry last night but by accident it was served to me with coconut rice! Now I'd never eaten coconut rice before and felt a bit miffed that my order had been cocked up. I didn't want to delay our meal or let my curry go cold while I waited for the pilau rice I'd ordered so I just resigned myself to eat the stuff.
What a revelation! The sweetness of the coconut complemented the spiciness of my Madras perfectly. It was heaven.
Has anyone else found unexpected food bliss?
I have had such a revelation. For many a year I have heard about peanut butter sandwiches and tomato soup. Yet, this sounded so unappetizing I refised to try it. One day, while about to dive into some steaming, creamy tomato goodness, someone handed me a sandwich that I assumed was just a piece of bread folded on itself. I failed to notice the brown nuttiness within as I was sick and hungry.
Behold! My tastebuds were aflame with I can only describe as an epiphany of taste. To any who doubt this combo - I recommend a taste.
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses do this?
by runForever inwhy do jehovah's witnesses as individual members readily think that apostates are having a sweeping mass delusion?
if some jw's have known you for a long time do they really think you based everything on some random delusion you randomly had instead of confirming the information?.
it's quite retarded even the bible itself is contradicting them in jeremiah about the 70 years.. i know some know, and some choose not to know but what about the rest?.
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Actually ARS, I did in fact stop attending meetings because the religion is actually, factually, demonstratably scripturally wrong.